If it were, Paul, Jude, Peter, and even Jesus would be guilty of that sin. Introduction to Beyond Sunday Series: Romans 8:24 For we to me she lacks conviction of the word I dont hear it; she reminds me of Joel Osteen and thats not a compliment. Yes, Im afraid thats exactly whats happening. Verse 13. Also, if you will read the article hyperlinked at the very top of this article, right underneath the title, where it says, If youre considering commenting it will answer your objections- with Scripture. Based on Saikowoods earlier post, you are not even familiar with the fact that Dr. Tony Evans is her father. read more, Scripture: Before I address some of your specific concerns, two things: First, thank you for the kind and civil tone of your comment. I hope youll find my response helpful anyway :0). Also, if you had read the paragraph at the very top of this article and clicked on please click here and read this article first, your initial question in this comment (about sin) would have been answered. We would be unified around the truth of Scripture. I am currently getting familiar with blogs for Christian ladies and your thorough, scholarly, biblical recommendations are absolutely invaluable. Or and be .. You may have loved her in War Room and want to buy her books. But Jesus said unto them, They need not TEXT: Im pretty sure some of our ladies are going to ask me where the evidence is that she was purposely teaching scripture to men. If you believe women shouldnt work, this includes you. I think I dont think I feel If youre a Christian, what you think, feel, believe, say, and do is supposed to be governed by Scripture. This is not a Church. Maybe a good example of Priscilla using eisegesis to teach scripture? Our young ministry assistant, a woman, is using Discerning Gods Voice for our womens Bible study. in his justice and great righteousness, he does not oppress. Genesis 24 King James Version (KJV) Id be interested, too! If youre in need of suggestions of doctrinally sound blogs for women, go to the top of this page and click on Recommended Bible Teachers. Ive got two lists of 10 up there, and another one coming in the near future. Contributed by Wade Martin Hughes, Sr on Sep 22, 2016 | 5,774 views This is a two part lesson as we consider are we going along que sera, sera? It states our purpose to do only those things which are authorized by the Scripture. I wont be publishing comments or answering emails that are answered by this article. 15 Neither do we boast beyond our limits in the labors of others. No, Im not violating Scripture by teaching men when they read or comment on my blog. - Jonah 2:10. I run into you everywhere man YouTube, Twitter, and now here lol. Did you mean youre unsure whether or not she preaches to men? I am not sure that the Gospel Coalition is a credible source. I cant but take this article with only a grain of salt. There is only ONE requirement for salvation, and that is accepting that Jesus Christs blood took the place of our sin, recognize our sin and confess it, believe that Jesus is Gods son. Then Judah said to Onan, "Go in to your brother's wife, and perform your duty as a brother-in-law to her, and raise up offspring for your brother." Romans 15:1 Verse Concepts Now we who are strong ought to bear the weaknesses of those without strength and not just please ourselves. Luke 9:1-10:20, Denomination: No, Im afraid theres no such thing as a false teacher being an entryway into the faith any more than a bowl of cyanide can be a good appetizer before a healthy dinner. She does teach and preach to men whether I say she does or not. 2. I have provided you video and audio evidence that Priscilla Shirer has done exactly that, and continues to do so unrepentantly. Parables arent the same thing as eisegesis (or Jesus would have been handling Scripture improperly, Himself), and its easy to see this by reading through (in context) several of Jesus parables. Lastly, although you are not directly in front of Travis Arnett, Saikowoods, Taylor Dunn & Seth Dunn, all of which are men who have posted here They are Reading & commenting on your comments and blog, thus you are teaching men. Until that time, however, it saddens me to have to recommend that Christian women not follow Priscilla Shirer or any materials or activities from Going Beyond Ministries for the following reasons: Priscilla unrepentantly preaches to and instructs men in the Scriptures in violation of 1 Timothy 2:12-14(as well as other passages of Scripture that do not allow this). Ive read her own account explaining this. 7,400,364 journeys have been made to this site. It would definitely be interesting to hear his perspective.. If he had, he would have been advocating one of four principles, which are inconsistent with the rest . 3. Thank you again. ), but 2 Corinthians 6:14ff and 2 John 9-11, among other passages, are very clear that we are not to partner with those who teach false doctrine, which Catholicism, Word of Faith, and many other churches do. It is about sin in the local congregation where you actually know the person personally and have access to him/her. Parables were a common form of teaching in Judaism ( to lead us to self-examination) (https://www.osv.com/Magazines/TheCatholicAnswer/ByIssue/Article/TabId/809/ArtMID/13667/ArticleID/16800/Why-Did-Jesus-Use-Parables.aspx) (oops~ this is a Catholic reference~ how bout this one: One of two things happens: either Im ignored altogether, or one of her underlings gets back in touch with me to defend her. Are they guiding and leading a flock ( a church )? 1 Samuel 30:6-8, Denomination: Where does the Bible teach this? Go beyond what's fair. They both willingly, and without reservation, preach to co-ed groups all the time. As Christians, we are to follow and obey Gods written word, the Bible, not our own opinions. I also have a few tape recording of her Bible Studies that were done either in her Sunday School or her Tuesday Bible Study Meetings where she actually dismisses men from the room when she was at a church in Houston. Finally, I agree we should seek out credible sources when reading news reports and things like that where were called upon to simply believe what were being told, but thats not the case here. Introduction SCRIPTURES YOU CAN USE: I will give them a heart to know Me, for I am the Lord; and they will be My people, and I will be their God, for they will return to Me with their whole heart. In the videos Ive viewed, there are only women involved (with the exception of the camera guys and the lighting guys.) She sounds really nice and charismatic and thats about it but my spirit doesnt bear witness with her. Also, the small sources dont have skin in the book and lecture circuit game. You could choose to simply pick up your Bible and study it. MAIN TEXT: MATTHEW 14:15 Its this link: http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=18085. Going Beyond Obedience. Ive subscribed to both for several years, so I can tell you thats not the kind of writing they do (though Challies did feature and link to Aimee Byrds review of Fervent in his 12/21/15 A La Carte segment). Evangelical Dark Web. My co-leader read your thoughts about Priscilla and I presented your views to the members of our study. Priscilla Shirer: Living Your Life For Christ (Full Teaching) | Praise on TBN (February 18, 2021) Priscilla speaks at Christine Caines Propel Womens Conference. Theres plenty of video evidence of it and witnesses who could testify to it. We are committed to teaching the uncompromising truths of His Word. Go beyond what's familiar. 2 JOHN The Bible says dont do X, Beth Moore does X. Thats breaking Gods command, which is sin. As for the topic of this post neither of us have heard of her, but thanks for the heads up and good article as always. Fortunately, those arent your only two choices. #4b believers from different denominations Priscilla references who rattled her theological box may have been part of Priscillas initial exposure to false Word of Faith teaching and false teachers such as the aforementioned Meyer, Caine and Osteens. Since you havent had a chance to question Priscilla about what she was talking about here (or maybe it was revealed in this Bible study? Maybe references other than S. Michael Houdmann (I think Michael does a very nice job on his website but he and his wife started GotQuestions.org after he claims to have received a vision from God to help others and by your own admission, visions and feelings are not Godly direction.) My heart longs for you to grow in the grace and knowledge of Christ by learning the truth of His word. (Also, lets please try to keep things friendly and polite, OK?). i listen to Dr. Tony Evans and i love to hear him preach, he is a good pastor and knows the word of God, so i do not understand why all this negativity about his daughter, i agree with the bible about women being pastors, and she is not a pastor according to how much i know about her( i only know about her from war room). And to top that all off, shes beautiful and sharp as a tack. (Oh my goodness~ thank you for using the term hermeneutics, eisegesis and exegesis! Ive fixed it (as well as a few others that have expired). Neil knows much more about New Testament studies than I do, but I'm not sure how far forward we can go with the New Testament, given that most of its writers believed their world was about to pass away. 1 Corinthians 4:6 says: Morning Service All of the resources and links Ive included are from credible sources (The disclaimer at the top of the list simply means I have not read everything ever written by every single resource Ive listed. (Ive addressed that here in case you might be interested.). ), partnering with false teachers (thank you for noting this! Is there some connection between this article on Priscilla Shirer and Israel that Im missing? I didnt know I was reading and studying scripture wrong. Pastors dont read LifeWay studies or pay attention to the false teaching crowd, for the most part. Today I would like to preach on the thought astonished beyond measure. Jude 18-19. She also teaches false doctrine (things that either are at odds with Scripture or arent in Scripture at all) and partners with other false teachers (people who teach false doctrine). I am more of an egalitarian, but Shirer rubs me the wrong way too. And if I perish, I perish. CEB Brothers and sisters, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit. Jonah 2:10. Again, just because its your opinion that theres nothing wrong with it doesnt mean its OK if the Bible says otherwise. Love Your Life 2018 (March 20, 2019) with Victoria Osteen and Terri Savelle Foy, Know Your God | Joyce Meyer and Priscilla Shirer (In this clip, Priscilla also gushes over Henry Blackaby who mishandles Scripture and teaches a form of mysticism. Sometimes the Bible can be difficult because it steps on our toes, but I promise, I will always point you Scripture, not to stories, fluff, false doctrine, or your own opinions, feelings, and experiences. on that if youre interested. But I dont recall her suggesting that Christians meditate or pursue contemplative prayer. Elizabeth. If youre not familiar with the false teachers cited below, click the Popular False Teachers and Unbiblical Trends tab in the blue menu bar at the top of this page. (This is where the video above ends. 52-week preaching calendar to help you plan your sermons, Customizable sermon manuscripts for verse-by-verse preaching, Preach with creativity and impact throughout the year, [NEW YEAR] 4-Week Series to kick off 2023, [PRODUCTIVITY] Fulfill your full potential, [FOUNDATIONS] Getting back to what matters most. The law in this case, being Scripture. Yes it is the little people or the less known that are standing against these deceptions and I am so glad that you are and there are many more. I want people to study their Bibles and use Scripture as the measuring stick for the things that are happening and being taught in the church today. The original promo video I used for this article has been deleted, {so I replaced it with the one above}, but in the original video, Priscilla goes on to say) Thats one in a million. Please see the links to our EXTRA Bible Study notes at the bottom of the page. What Ive given you here are not my personal views. My personal views dont matter, and neither do yours. #2- There are a number of resources on false teachers under the Popular False Teachers tab at the top of this page. Untold millions of Christians over the last two thousand years have studied Gods word, grown close to Him, matured in their faith, and walked faithfully with Him throughout their lives. Pray With Us Jan 12, 2023 Hi Friends! Could you point to me where Priscilla suggests that we empty our mind? Yes, Kenneth Hagin was one of the worst false teachers out there. It will be called the good shepherd calls. Now, brothers and sisters, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, "Do not go beyond what is written." Then you will not be puffed up in being a follower of one of us over against the other. Which is why it grieves me to have to answer that question with: Her theology. Unfortunately, there are serious red flags about some of the things Priscilla does and teaches that Christian women who follow her, or are considering following her, need to be made aware of. If youve poked around the blog a bit, you might have noticed that we just started a new Wednesday Bible study on the book of Colossians. I dont know half of your theological terminology, but I do know that I love Jesus and Im going to heaven, so Im just fine with that. Should she repent in these areas in which she has broken Scripture and align herself with biblical principles, she would have no bigger fan than I, and I would rejoice to be able to point Christian women to her as a doctrinally sound resource. How can we be Christians who care? This title is taken directly from the text; verse 37 tells us that the people were astonished beyond measure. Grayson Baptist Church - July 28, 2013 NOW, I have to preface this with this was MANY years ago. You just dont have enough time or energy to respond to every Tom, Dick and Mary.). YLT, NASB, ASV, AM, LEB, WEB. In a day and age where any type of hope is needed, especially to the unchurched, I would listen to either Beth Moore or Priscilla Shirer any day of the week over the news. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Together with her husband, Jerry, she heads up Going Beyond Ministries. How I wish I could ask him what he thinks of his heathen saving methods now that he has seen the face of Jesus!). Bushnell Assembly of God However, under Three Suggestions he mentions biblical reflection, meditate on His word, and Christ-centered silence. Theres too much wiggle room in this article to pin him down on exactly what he means by silence. Id like to see him go back and tighten it up one way or the other to give clarity to his readers. Philippians 4:13 Verse Concepts I can do all things through Him who strengthens me. But, yes, sometimes I do offer to send someone Im talking to (face to face) links to my articles, other peoples articles, books, sermons, etc., if theyd like to study an issue more. We have many of these moments through out our physical lives. If thats not you, no need to read further, and I apologize in for any offense. She has been doing so for years. And because of those issues, I deeply regret that I am not able to recommend her as I would like to. If you wouldnt follow a male pastor or Bible teacher who was open and unrepentant about committing adultery or shoplifting or getting plowed every weekend, why would you follow any female Bible teacher who preaches to and instructs men? As far as Priscilla, I am unsure of this. Are they preaching from a church pulpit on a Sunday morning as a pastor would? Disclaimer: The specific links below are provided and endorsed as evidence pertaining to this article only. Steven Furtick is the pastor of Lysa TerKeurst, and he is on Oprahs Super Soul 100 list. Some would call that circular reasoning. 1:37-When these believerswho had experienced different things about God became part of my life, my eyes were opened to see God in a brand new way. September 1, 2002 Could you please provide me with a link to an article or video where she says that so I can check it out? The Holy Spirit decided that what this church needed to combat that false teaching was a refresher course in Christology (the study of Christ- who He was, what He did, and why). Ill let you know how we continue our course of action. Good News Translation For your sake, my friends, I have applied all this to Apollos and me, using the two of us as an example, so that you may learn what the saying means, "Observe the proper rules." On October 16, 2016, Priscilla and her husband, children, and mother were in attendance at T.D. Still, knowing his perspective and the fact that hes her father doesnt change the fact that what Priscilla Shirer is doing is wrong. Thats a long sentence!). This is how people learn and grow in their faith. If so, then she is well aware of what the Bible says about these issues. #1 You have noted that Priscilla preaches to and instructs men in the Scriptures but I cant find the link. Do not eat or drink for three days, night or day. Now to Him who, in exercise of His power that is at work within us, is able to do infinitely beyond all our highest prayers or thoughts-- World English Bible Now to him who is able to do exceedingly abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us, Young's Literal Translation read more, Scripture: Personal experiences can be evidence of the truth of rightly handled and understood Scripture, but not vice versa. (Edited to add- After I posted this comment, I noticed your comment was addressed to Seth Dunn, not to me. Watch videos of Shirer speaking, listen to her sermons, read her books, and compare them all with what Scripture says. In Acts 17:11, the Bereans are praised for comparing everything Paul said to Scripture to see if it was true. I thought most people read themselves in scripture. There CAN be women from different denominations there, what is so wrong with that? Did anything frighten you this morning? read more, Scripture: Lord, thank You that You are the Good Shepherd and You speak and we hear Your voice. What is a defining moment? (Im also about 90% Reformed if you didnt get a chance to look at my statement of faith page.). Their focus is on Christian living type articles, not discernment (which is certainly fine, everybody has his own genre). Remember what Hebrews 5:12-14 says: For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the basic principles of the oracles of God. I couldnt find these terms in my Bible! John 14:1-4, Luke 10:18-20, 1 Corinthians 15:19. You must be afraid of some things, or else you will be in trouble. Here is a partial list of things that the Bible does not answer definitively: 1. However, a teenager pointed out to me that Abraham was called . Priscilla and her husband of 22 years, Jerry Shirer, lead Going Beyond Ministries through which they provide spiritual support and resources to the body of Christ. Let us look at it from a mindset point of view. It does NOT say, and be baptist. Scripture doesnt specify that only preaching from a pulpit on Sunday morning as a pastor would or leading a church qualifies as preaching to or teaching men, but, yes, they have both done the former and neither has indicated repentance over it or any plans to stop doing so. Grr! I'll start.I'll share with you 2 Scriptures that have given me soooo much comfort and encouragement these past few days and then I'll anxiously wait for you to share what Scripture(s) you have been meditating on lately, received a ton of comfort and encouragement from and/or used to encourage someone else. Also, there are some great resources here. How can you trust that anything else she teaches you about the Bible is accurate and true? And when it was evening, his disciples came to him, saying, This is a desert place, and the time is now past; send the multitude away, that they may go into the villages, and buy themselves victuals. where those who recognize the deception and want to speak up, will have a place to go. I think the following articles will be helpful in answering your question: You might also want to take a look at the other articles in my Rock Your Role series. Im sorry, Im a little unclear. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. I totally disagree with you on this. She is the New York Times Best Selling author of more than two dozen books and has had featured roles in movies like War Room (2015), I Can Only Imagine (2018) and Overcomer (2019). 13 Bible Verses about God's Ways Beyond Human Understanding Most Relevant Verses Isaiah 55:8-9 "For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways," declares the Lord. I KNOW this is a looooong series of questions about Priscilla Shirer that was stimulated by your post. So we both have been grateful ever sense, me personally because; as her husband she is my most important ministry, so besides Church, we do studies both together and private, and then share them with one another, we also pray together and so on, but i know (because i have learned, and it is also true of men) sometimes women need women.(Titus.2:3-4). You should learn from us not to go beyond what is written in Scripture. 1And Abraham was old, and well stricken in age: and the Lord had blessed Abraham in all things. Priscilla partners and associates with false teachers such as Joyce Meyer, Christine Caine,Joel and Victoria Osteen, Beth Moore, and T.D. Michelle, The result is that those doctrines and beliefs often conflict with Scripture because theyre not based on Scripture but a fallible personal experience. In addition, Beth Moore violates other Scriptures including the ones prohibiting the teaching of false doctrine and yoking ourselves together with those who do. Going Beyond Ministries is focused on the expository teaching of the Word of God. Id like to ask, was Kenneth Hagin also a false preacher, because he dealt extensively with this issue of women preaching in his book, and made several clarifications in his book The Women Question. What we believe about that is irrelevant. Thats good, but that doesnt change the fact that neither Beth nor Priscilla turn down speaking events that are open to both men and women. Going Beyond Ministries with Priscilla Shirer The Mercy of Our Great God (March 24, 2017) Priscilla preaches the Sunday sermon at Celebration Church (co-pastored by a woman), Priscilla Shirer: YOUR Spiritual Battle & the Armor of God (Full Teaching) | Praise on TBN (May 21, 2021) Priscilla preaching to a co-ed audience at Passion 2018, Special Guest Priscilla Shirer (October 11, 2015) Priscilla preaches the Sunday sermon at The Refuge Church (co-pastored by a woman), What Are You Looking At | Priscilla Shirer | Hillsong East Coast (October 4, 2020) Priscilla preaches the Sunday sermon for Hillsong East Coast, Women Teachers? Priscilla Shirer is a wife and mom of three boys hailing from the Dallas area. I dont think you read my comment carefully enough. #3- There are a couple of links in the additional resources section that deal with Priscillas teaching of contemplative prayer, but I really should have included one in the paragraph itself, so Ive fixed that. This is a two part lesson as we consider are we going along que sera, sera? God bless you, and keep up the good work sister! I dont want my readers to believe something just on my (or anyone elses) say so. Notice the emphasis around the 1:37 mark on peoples personal experiences (praying for miracles, etc.) I am always delighted to answer questions from, and help, women who sincerely want help understanding the problems with a false teacher, understanding Scripture, etc., even if those questions are long. Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Though the Bible allowed provisions for indentured servitude, which was a humane alternative to such harsh punishments for failure to pay one's debts, such as d Christians dont get to have our own personal opinions. No, I have not confronted Priscilla Shirer about her sin (and thank you for realizing that what shes doing is, in fact, sin). ROger Oakland of understanding the times and a few good men, are putting together a web site. on her, one of them probably will. Choose What Is Right: A Study in Discernment ~ Lesson 1- Introduction, Going Beyond Scripture: Why It's Time to Say Good-Bye to Priscilla Shirer and Going Beyond Ministries, The Mailbag: Celebrity Christian Hot Takes (Driscoll, Graham, Groeschel, Lewis, Lucado, Piper, Vallotton), Leaving Lysa: Why You Shouldn't Be Following Lysa TerKeurst or Proverbs 31 Ministries, Doctrinally Sound Christian Men to Follow - 1, Bible Gateway- Fantastic concordance and other Bible tools, CARM- Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry, Christian Answers for the New Age (Marcia Montenegro). Though there are others, these are the major doctrinal errors in this video, which is less than four minutes of teaching from Priscilla. I dont really care about pursuing holiness and growing in Christ. If thats not what youre saying, I apologize for the misunderstanding, but if it is, Im concerned for your eternity. Pastor Chris Rosebrough explains why Priscillas twisting of John 10 to mean that we can hear God speak to us is unbiblical. Priscilla Shirer on Hearing the Voice of God on Issues, Etc. For example, the Bible clearly says that women are not to preach to or teach men in the church (2 Timothy 2:12). read more, Scripture: Warning people away from false teaching is not gossip. If you need more examples, simply go to YouTube and type Priscilla Shirer sermon into the search bar. Heres more info. And the Bible says that women are not to preach to or instruct men, or to hold authority over men in the gathered body of Believers, the church. When the Bible says not to do something and you do it anyway, thats a sin. That is not what the Bible says that preachers and teachers are to do. Amber, you seem like a very dear sister, and I love you. Job 36:26 Verse Concepts All you need to say is simply 'Yes' or 'No'; anything beyond this comes from the evil one. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive. I would recommend reading the book reviews and listening to the sermon reviews. I've been reading a book by Francine Rivers lately about an old woman called Leota who loves the Lord and has an amazing impact upon the lives of other people in her life, yet is rejected and hated by her own daughter, Eleanor. #4a- Unfortunately, most people do read themselves into Scripture (largely due to being taught that way by false teachers such as the aforementioned and many others), but that doesnt mean its the correct way to study Scripture. Im also about 90 % Reformed if you believe women shouldnt work, this includes you teach?. Is accurate and true to our EXTRA Bible study again, just because its your that... 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