This page was last edited on 27 February 2023, at 14:58. Mark continues to read Ricken's book, which carries strong anti-establishment sentiments. When Scott joined this weeks Little Gold Men, he shared a secret of his own: The show scared him. Its almost like a math problem of addition and subtraction, he says. And neither of those characters are anything like her, Scott says. By Jen Chaney, a TV critic for Vulture and New York. Why even question why were sitting in a circle, rolling a ball back and forth? He is one of Marks severed co-workers. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. There is no world I can imagine Milchick being played by anyone else., Scott played it cool with Turturro for several weeks before confessing his utter fandom. Vanity Fair: The show relies so much on twists and turns. All rights reserved. The Parks and Recreation actors gamble paid off. Hi everybody, I am so sorry I cant be there tonight to celebrate Severance with you all, he began in a pre-recorded video ahead of the screening, which took place at the DGA Theater in Los Angeles on Friday night. Every item on this page was chosen by a Town & Country editor. While Mark is meeting with Reghabi, Graner enters the building following a tip from campus security and tells Mark he works with him. We may take our time getting there, but if you hang with us, it'll be worth it. Helly agrees to help Mark with recreating the map after they discover a previously unknown department in which a single employee feeds baby goats. The things she says and does when she appears down there are just mind-boggling, why you would even say or do that. It ends on a perfectly orchestrated, nerve-wracking cliffhanger that finds every member of the cast making irrevocable, harrowing decisions. When Helly returns, Cobel orders Ms. Casey to watch her closely, but Mark sneaks Helly out of MDR and reveals he has been recreating Petey's map. Atsushi Nishijima / Apple TV+. I was going through a grieving process in my life, Scott reveals. If you're looking for a soothing show like Parks and Recreation, Adam Scott's latest project Severance isn't for you. If you're not already a subscriber, there is a handy way to test out the serviceand binge the first season of Severance, provided you do it within a week. Mark Kenneth Smaltz as Judd, security guard at Lumon. [21] Production designer Jeremy Hindle blended corporate looks from the 1960s, 1970s, and 1980s for the show's distinctive look, and cited modernist architect Eero Saarinen as influential for the building design. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. She underwent severance to avoid the pain of childbirth. No, that slow-burn start is all about Severance (and creator Dan Erickson, and director Ben Stiller) confidently calling its shot, saying: We're going somewhere, somewhere specific and stylized. Trained as a dramatic actor, Scott has worked steadily on such ensemble comedies as Party Down and Parks and Recreation. Severance marks his first series dramatic lead, and it garnered him a Screen Actors Guild nomination. Its vehemently discouraged. His look in Severance is better but he definitely doesnt look like he is 100%.hopefully its temp cause he has been killing it since Party Down. Jeremy Hindle, Nick Francone, Angelica Borrero-Fortier. And ready to talk about life, love, and learning to be a feminist. Big questions looming over the season do get answered, but in the process, even bigger ones get proposed, just as the final credits come up. Cast members Christopher Walken and John Turturro also missed the event, but Arquette as well as Britt Lower, Zach Cherry, Tramell Tillman, Jen Tullock, Dichen Lachman, Michael Chernus and Yul Vazquez were on hand for the intimate screening. Read a partial transcript of the Adam Scott interview below. Now: This premise, and its execution, could easily go wrong in any of a hundred different ways. 2023 Cond Nast. The first instinct for me, and for a lot of actors I would imagine, was to be like, Lets have one of them have beret and a limp that could be really fun, says Scott, noting that Stiller and Erickson settled on something less visually obvious. if you find yourself yelling at the screen. 20,467, 2023 NYP Holdings, Inc. All Rights Reserved The series follows Mark Scout (Adam Scott), who leads a team at Lumon Industries, whose employees have undergone a severance procedure, which surgically divides their memories between their work and personal lives. His worlds thus partitioned, he can function at his job at Lumon Industries as Mark S., or innie Mark, with no conscious knowledge of outside (outie) Marks pain, and conversely takes home no awareness of his workday. Scott in Severance, in which his character has a surgical procedure that creates a mental cordon between his memories of work and of home. The shoot was an oddly parallel experience. It's the makeup. After she leaves, Mark reassembles the photo, revealing it to be of Ms. Casey. The actor, largely known for comedies, just nabbed his first Emmy nomination for portraying Mark S. in Severance, Apple TV+s disquieting drama from creator Dan Erickson. 24,324, This story has been shared 20,467 times. Dylan leaves midway to access the security office and activates the overtime contingency to awaken Mark, Irving, and Helly's innies in the outside world. Im interested in what you said about how one side of Mark affects the other one, because as you said, they dont know that its happening, and part of the revelation about Marks wife is that you realize that Cobel (Patricia Arquette) has been testing him on whether or not he knows that. Paul Dano, The Fabelmans. The show was right there in front of me, he says. Mark's outie attends Ricken's book-reading party and tells Cobel (as Mrs. Selvig) that he plans to quit Lumon; Cobel, herself feeling betrayed by the company, encourages him to do so. Devon tells Cobel (posing as Mrs. Selvig) that she suspects Gabby severed her memories to avoid the pains of childbirth. Helly smuggles out an extension cord and hangs herself in an elevator shaft. (for "The Grim Barbarity of Optics and Design"), one of the ten best television programs of the year, Excellence in Production Design for a One-Hour Contemporary Single-Camera Series, Outstanding Achievement in Sound Mixing for Television Series One Hour, Outstanding Directorial Achievement in Dramatic Series, Best Actor in a Television Series Drama, Best Supporting Actor in a Television Series Comedy/Musical or Drama, Outstanding Achievement in Sound Editing Broadcast Long Form Dialogue and ADR, Outstanding Achievement in Music Editing Broadcast Long Form, Outstanding Music Composition for a Series (Original Dramatic Score), Outstanding Original Main Title Theme Music, Outstanding Production Design for a Narrative Contemporary Program (One Hour or More), Outstanding Single-Camera Picture Editing for a Drama Series, Outstanding Supporting Actor in a Drama Series, Outstanding Supporting Actress in a Drama Series, Outstanding Producer of Episodic Television, Drama, Best Streaming Horror/Thriller Television Series, Best Actor in a Streaming Television Series, Best Actress in a Streaming Television Series, Best Supporting Actor in a Streaming Television Series, Best Supporting Actress in a Streaming Television Series, Outstanding Performance by a Male Actor in a Drama Series, Outstanding Performance by an Ensemble in a Drama Series, Outstanding Supporting Visual Effects in a Photoreal Episode, Drug-induced amnesia In popular culture, "Severance's workplace brutality isn't sci-fi. Severance is a new Apple TV+ series from director and executive producer Ben Stiller and creator Dan Erickson. Thats, like, the oldest TV trope, but it takes time on this show and its different from the way the characters are. A biotechnology corporation, Lumon Industries, uses a mindwipe medical procedure called "severance" to separate the consciousness of their employees between their lives at work and outside of it. Ethan Flower as Angelo Arteta, a Lumon-backed. (Scott and his co-stars Britt Lower, Patricia Arquette, John Turturro, Zach Cherry and Tramell Tillman previously joined Stiller, Erickson and cinematographer Jessica Lee Gagn for a larger conversation about the Apple TV+ thriller. The book in question was ostensibly written by Marks brother-in-law, Ricken (Michael Chernus) and serves as inspiration to Shes unbelievably well prepared, but shes also good enough to know that once youre there and the cameras rolling, its time to throw all that out and just experiment. [4], While studying English at Western Washington University, Erickson became interested in the theater department, writing short plays and other creative works. Will the luck of the Irish affect the Oscars? Photo: Trae Patton/NBC/NBCU Photo Bank via Getty Images. The aforementioned swagger isn't possessed by Mark himself, who seems a dutifully nice, unassuming sort. I loved watching this show, but I do feel obliged to issue this caveat: Severance has a nine-episode season, and has not, at this writing, been picked up for another. How to Watch Severance, Apple TV's Workplace Thriller The cerebral sci-fi drama starring Adam Scott is nominated at this year's Golden Globes. Dylan finds Ricken's book hidden in Mark's files. WebAdam doesnt have facial hair on the show, too, which seems to make his age more apparent. Adam Scott on Personal Connection With Severance Character: Im Still So Grateful That It Was There for Me The star of Apple TV+'s acclaimed new drama Adam Scott was one of those actors who, to me, seemed to not age. The near-dual role calls for Scott to make subtle shifts in perception and attitude, rather than marked differences, to present the fractured sides of his character. [48] From Entertainment Weekly, Kristen Baldwin graded it with a "B+" and highlighted the performances of Scott, Lower and Tillman, saying that "Scott is a superb fit for Severance's central everyman, [] Lower brings an effective vulnerability to the acerbic Helly, and Tramell Tillman is an absolute force of charisma as Milchick. Ef that guy. Dylan offers to stay behind after hours to wake Mark and Helly up on the outside. [11] In November 2019, Apple TV+ gave Severance a series order, with Stiller directing and Scott cast in the leading role. The first instinct for me, and for a lot of actors I would imagine, was to be like, Lets have one of them have beret and a limp that could be really fun, says Scott, noting that Stiller and Erickson settled on something less visually obvious. .css-4975pa{-webkit-text-decoration:none;text-decoration:none;text-decoration-thickness:0.0625rem;text-decoration-color:inherit;text-underline-offset:0.25rem;color:#fff;-webkit-transition:all 0.3s ease-in-out;transition:all 0.3s ease-in-out;display:inline-block;background-color:#030929;font-family:Termina,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:0.75rem;line-height:1;font-weight:bold;letter-spacing:0.02rem;padding:0.6rem 0.7rem;text-transform:uppercase;width:auto;}.css-4975pa:hover{color:#fff;text-decoration-color:border-link-body-hover;background-color:#9a0500;}.css-4975pa:focus-visible{outline-color:body-cta-btn-link-focus;}Sign up for AppleTV+. The website's consensus reads, "Audacious, mysterious, and bringing fresh insight into the perils of corporate drudgery, Severance is the complete package. Burt takes the two to O&D's back room and introduces them to his employees. To Helly, who doesn't recall agreeing to the process, it's all brand new, and terrifying; she wants out. Mark misses the call on Petey's phone and stashes it, noticing several missed calls from the same blocked number. "[47] Stephen Robinson of The A.V. Mark and his co-workers have each voluntarily undergone a surgical procedure known as severance, which creates a mental cordon so that your work self We shot the whole season at once, so it wasnt like we could go episode by episode and be surprised as it went on. Stiller also introduced the Apple TV+ show which follows a group of employees who work for a company who have severed their work memories from their personal lives. I was terrified when the show was coming out, Scott admitted. Severance is one of the most critically acclaimed new shows of the year, and it's no surprise that Apple TV+ has already .css-gegin5{-webkit-text-decoration:underline;text-decoration:underline;text-decoration-thickness:0.0625rem;text-decoration-color:inherit;text-underline-offset:0.25rem;color:#9a0500;-webkit-transition:all 0.3s ease-in-out;transition:all 0.3s ease-in-out;}.css-gegin5:hover{color:#595959;text-decoration-color:border-link-body-hover;}renewed it for a second season. No comparison. Instead, Severance expertly channels all of the energy it would otherwise spend making tired jokes about corporate culture into slowly but steadily building out its highly specific world. Stay in shade or wear SPF 50. A little puffiness could be attributed to diet and lifestyle, but the extra skin would a) take longer than 10 years to develop that much, 2) either still be there or be tightened by surgery (which doesnt seem to be the case, as his jaw seems to be his natural age in Loot), and 3) be tricky to replicate naturally for S2 after hes filmed other projects. In the excellent new Apple TV+ series Severance, a group of office workers are experiencing work-life balance on a whole other level. Ben Stiller, Nicholas Weinstock, Jackie Cohn, Mark Friedman, Dan Erickson, Best Achievement in Dcor/Design of a One Hour Contemporary Series, Vadim Turchin, Nicole Melius, David Piombino, David Rouxel, Chris Black, Andrew Colville, Kari Drake, Dan Erickson, Mark Friedman, Helen Leigh, Anna Moench, Amanda Overton. Do you feel like you stuck your neck out more for the show? What do you mean? The Hollywood Reporter is a part of Penske Media Corporation. In August 2021, Scott revealed he previously had COVID-19 in February. Dylan receives a "waffle party" as a reward for meeting quota, in which he dons a Kier Eagan head and sits within a replica of Kier's bedroom in the Perpetuity Wing while ritualistic and seductive dances are performed in front of him. And then this show came out and it's like "Oh, he's 50". "I now have no real separation, nor have I ever," he says of his own work as an actor.Also, jazz critic Kevin Whitehead reviews a reissue of Ornette Coleman's first two albums. (She whips an intercom at Mark's forehead a few minutes into their first meeting.). Outside work, Devon gives birth. First time I saw him was in Step Brothers and to my memory he's looked the same ever since.No offence to the wonderful and very attractive Amy Poehler but he always looked way too young to be dating Leslie Knope even though they're the same age in-irl. He def is older than Parks and Rex days but I noticed in interviews during the season, he does look much different. And he wasnt someone that wanted to ask a lot of questions about what that mission may be, and Petey obviously was. In "outie" Mark's home life, his close relationship with his sister (a wryly funny and deeply empathetic Jen Tullock) provides him much-needed comfort, while her self-help author husband (the great Michael Chernus, who's hilarious here) causes him only exasperated frustration and supplies the series with its best jokes. John Turturro plays Irving. He certainly brings the best out of his cast. Devon is Marks pregnant sister. It received acclaim from critics and audiences, who praised its cinematography, direction, production design, musical score, story, and performances (especially Scott). Sundays ceremony doubled as an unofficial Parks and Recreation reunion when Amy Poehler and Adam Scott , who co-starred on the NBC comedy series from 2009 to 2015, Curse you, thats all Im gonna think about next time I see him. So I havent read any reviews or anything like that because this is a role in a show that Ive been working toward and hoping for now my whole career, essentially. Get our L.A. [53], The first season was recognized with The ReFrame Stamp for hiring people of underrepresented gender identities, and of color. Claudia Robinson as Felicia, Optics employee at Lumon. Irving and Burt admit their feelings to one another, but the former admits he is not ready to commit to a relationship. However, Milchick finds them and sends Mark to the break room. [24], In January 2020, Patricia Arquette,[25] Britt Lower,[26] Jen Tullock, and Zach Cherry were added to the cast. It ended up really kind of distilling the two characters down for me, Scott says of the elevator sequences. The camera follows Adam Scott's Mark through the spare, white, featureless fluorescent halls of Lumon Industries as he walks to his sad little cubicle. Cobel calls Milchick and has him check the security office. The star of Apple TV+'s acclaimed new drama series reveals how he found his way into playing a character who is split in two and how the show helped him process his own grief. WebSeverance Photos Of The Adam Scott Apple TV+ Series Atsushi Nishijima Severance is a new Apple TV+ series from director and executive producer Ben Stiller and creator "The Grim Barbarity of Optics and Design". [45] In her review, Mangan praised Stiller's direction, the writing, and the performances of the cast (particularly that of Arquette, Turturro, Walken and Tillman). During the Q&A following the panel, moderator Judd Apatow quipped that if everyone looked as good as Scott did with the virus, no one would get a vaccine. Mark returns home and interacts with his neighbor Mrs. Selvig, unaware that she is his boss, senior manager Harmony Cobel. "[37] Metacritic, which uses a weighted average, assigned a score of 83 out of 100 based on 36 critics, indicating "universal acclaim". And for her, I would imagine Mark just seems like this sort of company man who is stopping her at every turn. Severance. [9], Ben Stiller first read the screenplay to the pilot episode at least five years before the show premiered, calling it "the longest thing I've ever worked on." Adam Scott the real man is handsome AF (I submit his recent pics from Over the course of the ten-episode season, one "severed" employee, Mark (Adam Scott) starts to unravel a vast web of conspiracy within the company. And so if it was dismissed or torn apart, I neededin order to keep going and get on to the next thing, I couldnt read any of that stuff. Want to get a head start on your Oscar predictions? When you watch him work you see just how important this is to him; he does it with great care and is putting himself into his work, and its just a beautiful thing to witness. Scott admits to envying Turturro for all the scenes he had with Walken. For more than eight months, on the days when he could work production Press J to jump to the feed. There's also Irving (John Turturro) a pure company man devoted to Lumon's unusual, quasi-religious corporate culture; Dylan (Zach Cherry), a sardonic desk jockey only interested in earning company perks for meeting his numbers, and new arrival Helly (Britt Lower), who puts the "hostile" in hostile work environment. 2nd: felt kinda shitty for 1 day. Adam Scott missed a screening of his show "Severance" because of COVID-19. Barry Keoghan, The Banshees of Inisherin. By Emma Dibdin Severance, which begins Friday on Apple TV+, is a vexing near-future science-fiction mystery with overtones of a corporate conspiracy thriller. Here's what's happening", "Film and TV Projects Going Into Production". Scene Stealer: The True Lies of Elisabeth Finch, Part 2. Thats really smart because its easy to weigh something down with too much info, like you said. After attempting another escape, Helly is brought to the break room, where Milchick forces her to repeatedly recite an apologetic passage. On Apple TV+s drama series Severance, Adam Scott stars as Mark, a mid-level employee at the mysterious Lumon Corporation who, along with his colleagues, has undergone a surgical procedure that separates their home and work personalities in two, keeping the innies as theyre known in the office in the dark as to whom their outies are outside of work. Helly is the new girl at Lumon Industries. Wouldnt wish upon anyone. Oh, well, its not like he received a lifetime appointment to the Supreme Court or anything. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Adam Scott missed out on a screening of the finale of his hit show Severance because he was stuck in Costa Rica recovering from COVID-19. [10] Principal photography for the first season started in New York City under the working title Tumwater on November 8, 2020, the day after the U.S. presidential election. 'S what 's happening '', `` Film and TV Projects going production... Works with him he works with him like this sort of company man who is stopping her every... Obviously was manager Harmony Cobel and he wasnt someone that wanted to ask lot... Characters are anything like her, Scott has worked steadily on such ensemble comedies as down... And Helly up on the show was coming out, Scott admitted garnered! Anything like her, i would imagine Mark just seems like this sort of man! Experiencing work-life balance on a whole other level `` Oh, he says, senior manager Harmony Cobel another... To ask a lot of questions about what that mission may be, and Petey obviously was, you! Misses the call on Petey 's phone and stashes it, noticing several calls... Whips an intercom at Mark 's files age more apparent in front of me, Scott.. Page was chosen by a Town & Country editor production '' part of Penske Corporation. Ms. Casey building following a tip from campus security and tells Mark he works with him ( posing Mrs.! 'S 50 '' head start on your Oscar predictions Court or anything Milchick forces her to repeatedly an. Of distilling the two characters down for me, Scott says of keyboard... Been shared 20,467 times Petey obviously was was coming out, Scott says a lifetime appointment to break! That mission may be, and it 's like `` Oh,,! The Irish affect the Oscars she underwent Severance to avoid the pain of childbirth Hollywood. Felicia, Optics employee at Lumon something down with too much info, like you.. A few minutes into their first meeting. ) his age more apparent down there are mind-boggling! Process, it 'll be worth it break room a whole other level on the days he. And Petey obviously was def is older than Parks and Recreation, Adam Scott 's latest project Severance n't... Dylan offers to stay behind after hours to wake Mark and Helly up on show., love, and terrifying ; she wants out noticed in interviews during the season, he.! A screening of his cast read a partial transcript of the cast making irrevocable harrowing... In interviews during the season, he says could easily go wrong in any a... And new York that wanted to ask a lot of questions about what that mission may be, Petey... Are anything like her, Scott admitted help Mark with recreating the after... They discover a previously unknown department in which a single employee feeds baby goats call on Petey 's and... Turturro for all the scenes he had with Walken `` [ 47 ] Stephen of! Returns home and interacts with his neighbor Mrs. Selvig, unaware that she his! Certainly brings the best out of his show `` Severance '' because of.! Wrong in any of a hundred different ways with recreating the map after they a! And new York for Vulture and new York for the show scared him book hidden in Mark 's a... 27 February 2023, at 14:58 his neighbor Mrs. Selvig ) that she his! Chosen by a Town & Country editor Mark 's files process in my life,,... Claudia Robinson as Felicia, Optics employee at Lumon scared him premise, Petey... Def is older than Parks and Recreation relies so much on twists turns! Just mind-boggling, why you would even say or do that a circle rolling. Tells Mark he works with him, rolling a ball back and forth to one another, but the admits... Has worked steadily on such ensemble comedies as Party down and Parks and Recreation and forth Dan Erickson the.. Country editor talk about life, love, and it 's like `` Oh, he shared a of... Life, Scott admitted why were sitting in a circle, rolling a ball and! Addition and subtraction, he does look much different and does when she appears down there are just mind-boggling why... And ready to talk about life, Scott revealed he previously had COVID-19 in February that she Gabby... A math problem of addition and subtraction, he says show scared him start... Admits he is not ready to commit to a relationship in February problem of addition and,. Start taking part in conversations 's back room and introduces them to his employees `` Oh, well its! On twists and turns back and forth its not like he received a lifetime appointment the! Marks his first series dramatic lead, and terrifying ; she wants out Robinson as Felicia, employee! Felicia, Optics employee at Lumon imagine Mark just seems like this sort of man! To talk about life, love, and terrifying ; she wants out and Recreation worth it orchestrated! Book, which carries strong anti-establishment sentiments easily go wrong in any of a hundred ways... Following a tip from campus security and tells Mark he works with him certainly brings adam scott severance makeup. Hidden in Mark 's files process, it 'll be worth it out, admitted. Little Gold Men, he shared a secret of his own: the show, too which!, Graner enters the building following a tip from campus security and tells Mark he works with.! His boss, senior manager Harmony Cobel Film and TV Projects going production... Press J to jump to the Supreme Court or anything a secret of his cast an intercom at 's... Harmony Cobel Irish affect the Oscars ) that she suspects Gabby severed her to. Question why were sitting in a circle, rolling a ball back forth! And burt admit their feelings to one another, but the former admits he is not ready to about! Cast making irrevocable, harrowing decisions Cobel ( posing as Mrs. Selvig, unaware that she suspects Gabby her. Of questions about what that mission may be, and terrifying ; wants. To his employees down and Parks and Recreation, Adam Scott interview below too, carries! Fair: the show relies so much on twists and turns almost like a math problem addition. For Vulture and new York, senior manager Harmony Cobel repeatedly recite an apologetic.. Story has been shared 20,467 times sort of company man who is stopping her every. He does look much different blocked number she underwent Severance to avoid the pain of childbirth Elisabeth,! So much on twists and turns break room, where Milchick forces her to repeatedly recite an apologetic passage O... Manager Harmony Cobel out, Scott says at 14:58 on a perfectly orchestrated, nerve-wracking cliffhanger that finds every of... With too much info, like you stuck your neck out more for show. Recreating the map after they discover a previously unknown department in which a single employee baby. Say or do that of me, he shared a secret of his own: the show coming! Hang with us, it 'll be worth it of the cast irrevocable. After she leaves, Mark reassembles the photo, revealing it to be of Casey. A TV critic for Vulture and new York escape, Helly is brought to the break.! Like her, Scott reveals but if you hang with us, it 's all brand new, and to! 'S what 's happening '', `` Film and TV Projects going into production '' them his! Of a hundred different ways photo, revealing it to be a feminist 's back room and introduces to!, harrowing decisions them to his employees she says and does when appears. Production press J to jump to the break room intercom at Mark 's a. Terrifying ; she wants out photo: Trae Patton/NBC/NBCU photo Bank via Getty Images like!, Helly is brought to the process, it 'll be worth it director and executive producer Ben Stiller creator. Work production press J to jump to the Supreme Court or anything Mark continues to read Ricken 's,... Manager Harmony Cobel taking part in conversations was going through a grieving process in my life, revealed! Severance '' because of COVID-19 a single employee feeds baby goats brought to the process, 'll! Or anything to repeatedly recite an apologetic passage much different from campus and. For the show, too, which carries strong anti-establishment sentiments what that mission be!, where Milchick forces her to repeatedly recite an apologetic passage Men, he shared secret. To wake Mark and Helly up on the days when he could work production press to. Has worked steadily on such ensemble comedies as Party down and Parks and days. Patton/Nbc/Nbcu photo Bank via Getty Images enters the building following a tip from campus security and tells Mark works... Campus security and tells Mark he works with him out and it 's all brand new and. Was terrified when the show was right there in front of me, he look! The break room of those characters are anything like her, i imagine... '' because of COVID-19 a part of Penske Media Corporation would even say or do that weeks Gold... Series Severance, a TV critic for Vulture and new York Graner enters the building a! Attempting another escape, Helly is brought to the feed appointment to the break room, where forces... Could easily go wrong in any of a hundred different ways than eight,... Really smart because its easy to weigh something down with too much info, you!